Went by HD and checked out the BT3100 and while doing so a guy who works
there was telling me that Rigid and Ryobi are made by the same company,
and that Dewalt and Black & Decker are the same also. No idea if he's
full of it or not. I suspect if true that Rigid & Ryobi are still
seperate companies but probably owned by the same parent company - same
for Dewalt & Black/Decker.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:21:50 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
>>>Paddle cars? You mean like the thing I used to have when I was a kid?
>>
>> One and the same!
>
>You mostly sell them to nostalgic 30- and 40-somethings whose children
>really want Power Wheels, right? :)
Probably! <G>
Barry
Home Depot contracted Ryobi to make the cordless Ridgid tools. The better
corded tools are Metabo, and I believe the stationary tools are still Emerson.
Ryobi and Emerson have also made lots of Sears tools and a host of other
lower-end brands. And Ryobi owns Homelite now.
B&D bought DeWalt (maker of huge and heavy radial arm saws) about 30 years ago.
About ten years ago they repositioned the DeWalt name to market industrial
portable tools because no one would buy them under the B&D name, no matter how
good they were. B&D also bought ELU ($$ Euro brand) and folded them into the
mix. DeWalt compressors are actually Emgos, by the way.
Bosch and Skil are also partners now. Skil quality went up, Bosch went down.
The Bosch saws are Skils, the Skil drills have a certain Bosch design.
And then there's MIlwaukee and AEG, GM and Saab, Ford, Mazda, and Jaguar...
Nice and simple, huh?
GTO(John)
>Went by HD and checked out the BT3100 and while doing so a guy who works
>there was telling me that Rigid and Ryobi are made by the same company,
>and that Dewalt and Black & Decker are the same also. No idea if he's
>full of it or not. I suspect if true that Rigid & Ryobi are still
>seperate companies but probably owned by the same parent company - same
>for Dewalt & Black/Decker.
GTO69 writes:
>Home Depot contracted Ryobi to make the cordless Ridgid tools. The better
>corded tools are Metabo, and I believe the stationary tools are still
>Emerson.
Nope. Ryobi's parent company makes the stationary tools, too. Emerson still
makes the shop vacs.
>B&D bought DeWalt (maker of huge and heavy radial arm saws) about 30 years
>ago.
>About ten years ago they repositioned the DeWalt name to market industrial
>portable tools because no one would buy them under the B&D name, no matter
>how
>good they were. B&D also bought ELU ($$ Euro brand) and folded them into the
>mix. DeWalt compressors are actually Emgos, by the way.
Yeah, and Emglos are really good.
>Bosch and Skil are also partners now. Skil quality went up, Bosch went down.
>The Bosch saws are Skils, the Skil drills have a certain Bosch design.
I recently got a Bosch 4912 SCMS: if that's going down in quality, I'll take
more.
>And then there's MIlwaukee and AEG, GM and Saab, Ford, Mazda, and Jaguar...
>
>Nice and simple, huh?
>
And it will likely get worse. Bosch now owns RotoZip.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Ridgid (Home Depot) and Craftsman (Sears) have both contracted the company
that makes Ryobi tools to also build their tools using the specifications
that they (Ridgid/HD and Sears/Craftsman) provide.
Don't know about the DeWalt/B&D situation, but the Bosch company also makes
the tools that are sold under the Skil brand name.
"Ron S." <rwsulli@(nospam)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Went by HD and checked out the BT3100 and while doing so a guy who works
> > there was telling me that Rigid and Ryobi are made by the same company,
> > and that Dewalt and Black & Decker are the same also. No idea if he's
> > full of it or not. I suspect if true that Rigid & Ryobi are still
> > seperate companies but probably owned by the same parent company - same
> > for Dewalt & Black/Decker.
> >
>
> Not sure about Rigid/Ryobi, but I do know that Dewalt and Black and Decker
> are of the
> same company. The machine shop that I work for does work for the local B&D
> plant. Basically
> what I have seen is that the Dewalt tools are of a little higher grade
than
> the B&D, but they probably
> share a lot of parts also. In spite of the poor reputation of past, I
have
> never had any problems
> with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
> saw, and am still using
> it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
>
>
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:53:02 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Funny... All of that applies equally well to a completely unrelated
>situation. Tonka. They got absorbed by Hasbro, and Hasbro is whoring the
>name out, slapping Tonka stickers on all sorts of utter garbage. It's sad.
That's why the phrase "Crap is King!" echoes through my head whenever
I walk through a Wal-Mart. The average retailer now caters to
consumers who want it cheap, as they'll throw it out tomorrow after
their kid's 15 second attention span loses interest.
The bike shop I work at decided to bring in all-metal pedal cars this
Christmas. These things sell for $160-180, depending upon the model.
We can't assemble them fast enough. The people who are buying them
have never set foot in a bicycle shop before, so as a side benefit
we're exposing new people to our bicycles, strollers, Yakima and Thule
racks, etc... The shop is located next door to a major clothing store
on my town's Main St., and these people see them in the front windows.
Barry
Greg G. wrote:
> Jigsaw, Sander. They were not top of the line then, but compared to
> what is available now - they are Mercedes.
What, Mercedes aren't ritzy enough for ya?
Bah, not that I care, really. I'd have to be a multi-millionaire before I
would consider paying that much for something that just isn't necessary.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
AMEN
<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ron S." <rwsulli@(nospam)earthlink.net> wandered in from the void and
> babbled something like:
>
> > In spite of the poor reputation of past, I have
> >never had any problems
> >with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
> >saw, and am still using
> >it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
>
> I own several B&D tools that were made in the 60's and 70's. They
> have seen heavy use and still function well. Drills, Circular saw,
> Jigsaw, Sander. They were not top of the line then, but compared to
> what is available now - they are Mercedes.
>
> Then I inherited several 1-2 year old tools from SWMBO's ex-husband.
> B&D drill, jigsaw, and a Skil (non-worm drive) circular saw. They are
> all three utter garbage. The B&D drill is especially disappointing.
> Bad chuck, electronic speed control with a mind of it's own, and a
> peculiar design that makes drilling a straight hole impossible.
>
> I even have a 70's era Crapsman drill that cuts through landscape
> timbers like butter. All metal construction. Can't buy stuff like
> that anymore - especially at Sears.
>
> Ahhh, the good old days... :-|
>
> Greg
>
Years ago B&D was the cadillac of Power tools, Rockwell made some great
Drill & Screwguns also
I'm still using B&D Electric Drill & ScrewGuns they are about 20 years old.
These are half plastic and half metal
Before that they were all metal
To Me it is a shame the way they whored their name up,
B&D Is actually the Parent Company that Owns Dewalt and Dewalt is the higher
end tool Go Figure.
I guess consumer products get the volume. Oh Well
"Ron S." <rwsulli@(nospam)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Went by HD and checked out the BT3100 and while doing so a guy who works
> > there was telling me that Rigid and Ryobi are made by the same company,
> > and that Dewalt and Black & Decker are the same also. No idea if he's
> > full of it or not. I suspect if true that Rigid & Ryobi are still
> > seperate companies but probably owned by the same parent company - same
> > for Dewalt & Black/Decker.
> >
>
> Not sure about Rigid/Ryobi, but I do know that Dewalt and Black and Decker
> are of the
> same company. The machine shop that I work for does work for the local B&D
> plant. Basically
> what I have seen is that the Dewalt tools are of a little higher grade
than
> the B&D, but they probably
> share a lot of parts also. In spite of the poor reputation of past, I
have
> never had any problems
> with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
> saw, and am still using
> it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
>
>
George M. Kazaka wrote:
> old. These are half plastic and half metal
> Before that they were all metal
> To Me it is a shame the way they whored their name up,
Funny... All of that applies equally well to a completely unrelated
situation. Tonka. They got absorbed by Hasbro, and Hasbro is whoring the
name out, slapping Tonka stickers on all sorts of utter garbage. It's sad.
Hasbro is the Phillip Morris or R. J. Reynolds of the toy world. Look in a
toy store sometime and count the Hasbro logos. I never noticed myself
until the sudden drop in Tonka quality lead me to investigate. Hasbro owns
damn near every marque someone my age remembers fondly. This is especially
evident on the board game aisle.
Hasbro sucks. You listening Hasbro? You suck ass!
</rant>
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:03:18 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
>> The bike shop I work at decided to bring in all-metal pedal cars this
>> Christmas. These things sell for $160-180, depending upon the model.
>> We can't assemble them fast enough. The people who are buying them
>
>Paddle cars? You mean like the thing I used to have when I was a kid? Big
>honking huge ass piece of metal shaped like a miniature car, with pedals
>inside and working steering?
One and the same!
Barry
Silvan wandered in from the void and babbled something like:
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> Jigsaw, Sander. They were not top of the line then, but compared to
>> what is available now - they are Mercedes.
>
>What, Mercedes aren't ritzy enough for ya?
>
>Bah, not that I care, really. I'd have to be a multi-millionaire before I
>would consider paying that much for something that just isn't necessary.
Perhaps an automobile analogy was misplaced...
The point was, compared to what they build and sell now as consumer
level tools, the older tools were tanks - Long lasting and reliable.
As for buying a Mercedes, I don't own one, but used to work on them.
At one time, they were rather austere but durable. Most owners bought
them, not for fancy gimmicks, but for reliability & resale value - an
investment. They retained a higher resale value than most anything.
Compared to both tools or a Front Wheel Drive *anything* made today...
"Ron S." <rwsulli@(nospam)earthlink.net> wandered in from the void and
babbled something like:
> In spite of the poor reputation of past, I have
>never had any problems
>with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
>saw, and am still using
>it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
I own several B&D tools that were made in the 60's and 70's. They
have seen heavy use and still function well. Drills, Circular saw,
Jigsaw, Sander. They were not top of the line then, but compared to
what is available now - they are Mercedes.
Then I inherited several 1-2 year old tools from SWMBO's ex-husband.
B&D drill, jigsaw, and a Skil (non-worm drive) circular saw. They are
all three utter garbage. The B&D drill is especially disappointing.
Bad chuck, electronic speed control with a mind of it's own, and a
peculiar design that makes drilling a straight hole impossible.
I even have a 70's era Crapsman drill that cuts through landscape
timbers like butter. All metal construction. Can't buy stuff like
that anymore - especially at Sears.
Ahhh, the good old days... :-|
Greg
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> The bike shop I work at decided to bring in all-metal pedal cars this
> Christmas. These things sell for $160-180, depending upon the model.
> We can't assemble them fast enough. The people who are buying them
Paddle cars? You mean like the thing I used to have when I was a kid? Big
honking huge ass piece of metal shaped like a miniature car, with pedals
inside and working steering?
If figured those things were relegated to history a long time ago.
Especially after they introduced Power Wheels.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:18:13 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>As for buying a Mercedes, I don't own one, but used to work on them.
>At one time, they were rather austere but durable. Most owners bought
>them, not for fancy gimmicks, but for reliability & resale value - an
>investment. They retained a higher resale value than most anything.
>Compared to both tools or a Front Wheel Drive *anything* made today...
This brings up an interesting point.
My father had a 5-series BMW for a while, my inlaws had a Jaguar.
Both cars required typical tune-ups in the $700 range on a regular
basis. If people _really_ followed the manual recommendations on a
typical Toyota, some tune-ups also might end up that expensive, but
most people don't follow the manual exactly, they drive it until it
breaks.
I always wondered how long the typical Honda or Toyota would last if
you followed the same maintenance schedule as BMW, Mercedes, or other
typical european cars.
Barry
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wandered in from the void and babbled
something like:
>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:18:13 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>
>
>>As for buying a Mercedes, I don't own one, but used to work on them.
>>At one time, they were rather austere but durable. Most owners bought
>>them, not for fancy gimmicks, but for reliability & resale value - an
>>investment. They retained a higher resale value than most anything.
>>Compared to both tools or a Front Wheel Drive *anything* made today...
>
>
>This brings up an interesting point.
>
>My father had a 5-series BMW for a while, my inlaws had a Jaguar.
>Both cars required typical tune-ups in the $700 range on a regular
>basis. If people _really_ followed the manual recommendations on a
>typical Toyota, some tune-ups also might end up that expensive, but
>most people don't follow the manual exactly, they drive it until it
>breaks.
>
>I always wondered how long the typical Honda or Toyota would last if
>you followed the same maintenance schedule as BMW, Mercedes, or other
>typical european cars.
>
>Barry
Well, the Jags had Lucas, Prince of Darkness electricals, and a poor
resale value for some reason. Warping intake manifolds on some models
as well. Sexy cars, but a bit trouble prone, exclusive of the
quantity of maintenance.
The Hondas blow head gaskets on a regular basis - aluminum heads and
graphite coated head gaskets only take so many heating/cooling cycles
before they fail. Seems to be a common thing on ALL front wheel drive
cars. If not overheated, however, 100,000 miles is not unheard of.
The 5 and 7 series BMWs were good cars, albeit pricey.
I've seen plenty of older Volvo's hit the 1/2 million mile mark.
But as for the "How long would the typical *new* car last" question...
I have a Toyota Supra with over 300,000 miles and a Peugeot with over
500,000 miles. Have owned an Oldsmobile with a Rocket 350 V8 that
lasted 300,000 miles - but was destroyed when hit from the rear, so I
can't say how long it *could* have lasted. These were all older cars,
however, and I haven't seen anything in the showrooms lately that
holds much promise of lasting beyond 100K miles. My last aquisitions
were a '94 V6 Ford Thunderbird - I'm not too impressed with it's
longevity factor - and a Canadian built Mercury Marque which shows
slightly more promise, with certain mods to the 4R70W transmission to
decrease slippage (soft shifting) and increase it's pathetic life
span.
Things just aren't what they used to be...
Greg
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>>Paddle cars? You mean like the thing I used to have when I was a kid?
>
> One and the same!
You mostly sell them to nostalgic 30- and 40-somethings whose children
really want Power Wheels, right? :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> writes:
> Ridgid (Home Depot) and Craftsman (Sears) have both contracted the company
> that makes Ryobi tools to also build their tools using the specifications
> that they (Ridgid/HD and Sears/Craftsman) provide.
>
> Don't know about the DeWalt/B&D situation, but the Bosch company also makes
> the tools that are sold under the Skil brand name.
IIRC, Skil/Bosch bought out Dremel a couple years back. IMHO Dremel went way
down hill after they were acquired by Emerson perhaps a decade or more ago.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html
"Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Went by HD and checked out the BT3100 and while doing so a guy who works
> there was telling me that Rigid and Ryobi are made by the same company,
> and that Dewalt and Black & Decker are the same also. No idea if he's
> full of it or not. I suspect if true that Rigid & Ryobi are still
> seperate companies but probably owned by the same parent company - same
> for Dewalt & Black/Decker.
>
Not sure about Rigid/Ryobi, but I do know that Dewalt and Black and Decker
are of the
same company. The machine shop that I work for does work for the local B&D
plant. Basically
what I have seen is that the Dewalt tools are of a little higher grade than
the B&D, but they probably
share a lot of parts also. In spite of the poor reputation of past, I have
never had any problems
with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
saw, and am still using
it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
Ron S writes:
>with the B&D tools that I have. Built an entire house with a $30 Circular
>saw, and am still using
>it, and that was all but 20 years ago.
Believe me, there's a difference between consumer level tools 20 years ago and
consumer level tools today. You buy a B&D saw today and you get consumer level,
period. You will NOT be using it in 20 years if you build an entire house with
it.
Ridgid/Ryobi: Ryobi's parent company is making Ridgid power tools, except for
the vacuums, for HD. This has nothing to do with the original Ridgid line
(mostly plumbing tools, still owned by Emerson Tool). I am almost momentarily
expecting Emerson to announce another brand of tool, using many of the same
castings. But maybe not. I have NO inisde information, it just strikes me that
there are plants idle, and plans idle, and castings ready for use, while the
market seems to continue to expand. It may well be that Emerson can no longer
manufacture tools in the U.S. because of costs.
New guys on the block: Palmgren. Actually, an old brand, being brought back.
Check out www.palmgren.com
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>From: [email protected] (Charlie Self)
> But maybe not. I have NO inisde information, it just strikes me that
>there are plants idle, and plans idle, and castings ready for use, while the
>market seems to continue to expand. It may well be that Emerson can no longer
>manufacture tools in the U.S. because of costs.
>
That would be my guess. My brother works for a different division of Emerson.
His division makes precision electronic measuring devices for use in factories
and industry. He told me that much of their engineering is being outsourced to
India, and the manufacturing has been moved to Mexico.
Emerson is making money by liscensing the Ridgid name to HD, and they don't
have to actually make anything or take any risk. That's a pretty sweet deal.
David
remove the key to email me.