I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
sander too . . .
Thanks!
Scott
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:15:34 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Damn bass players are worse than drummers, they will do anything for a buck.
Yes, indeed!
I tell my nephew all the time, good bass players are always working,
and the chicks think will think it's a guitar! <G>
Barry
Sounds like I should be thankful I don't have another Delta product!
I've got 3, which is 1 more than I care to have.
dave
Stephen M wrote:
> My god man... have you ever done a blade change on a delta snipe-master-540?
> I thought that the 733 was gods gift to blade changes after that.
>
> The Dewalt magnetic jigs worked just fine for me. I have only done the
> procedure twice, but found it to be relatively quick painless and accurate.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Steve
>
> That said... the 735 does look sweet.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
>>the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
>>yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
>>is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
>> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
>>>all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
>>>has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
>>>no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
>>>
>>>I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
>>>a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
>>>you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
>>>next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
>>>differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
>>>sander too . . .
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Scott
>>
>
>
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:55:27 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
I'd gladly do it for ya' for a cut. <G>
Barry
Just got back from Woodcraft, where I learned the 734 has the same
cutting system as the 735, but lacks the dual speed feed (which the
magazine review on display says isn't needed anyways as the regular
speed yields great results). Also missing is the little fan that
helps control dust/chips. Might you consider saving $100 with the
734? I do agree the 733 blades would likely irritate me at some
point!
Cheers,
Scott
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
> the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
> yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
> is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>
> dave
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
> > all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
> > has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
> > no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
> >
> > I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
> > a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
> > you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
> > next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
> > differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
> > sander too . . .
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Scott
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:41:57 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"g" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> But more than
>> anything I bought the top of the line so that later I would not be
>> kicking myself for having saved a petty amount of money instead of
>> getting the best machine in its class. Been there, done that, hated
>> every minute of it.
>
>
>Same here. I try to buy the best.
>
>Besides, have you ever heard anyone say there penis is already beg enough?
>Nah, I've got plenty and don't need another couple of inches.
>Ed
>
from all of the penis enlargement spam I get you'd think the goal of
the average american guy was to be able to sling it over his shoulder.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote in message
> Do you have DirecTV? If so have you caught Big Bad Voodoo Daddy on
> the freeview yet? GREAT SHOW!
Nope, I'd love to see it though ... but I'll tell you who blew both me and
my 18 year old daughter away last night. I had an early gig, from 3 to 7, at
a big ole Texas dance hall and really wasn't up for more music, but I got
back just in time to see the Diana Krall Trio on the Ovation channel ... man
oh man, that is some of the hottest playing I've seen in years. The bass
player is absolutely a-w-e-s-o-m-e, as is everyone.
That said, I need to look into getting an industrial strength planer ...
these lunch boxes just aren't cutting it any more for me. I've got a project
coming up with a 7' X 4' X 2" table top, with 4" square legs and I'm
thinking of upgrading my Ridgid. Nothing against the Ridgid, as its does a
fine job on 3/4" stock, but for some reason I really have to struggle with
it on thicker material. I'll probably keep it. What's that they say - can't
have too many planers, right?
--
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"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:15:34 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Damn bass players are worse than drummers, they will do anything for a
buck.
>
> Yes, indeed!
>
> I tell my nephew all the time, good bass players are always working,
> and the chicks think will think it's a guitar! <G>
It all boils down to how attitude and how you move your fingers. I've
perfected a fake that has cameramen and photographers zeroing in on me when
the guitar player takes a ride ... really p*sses him off. ;>)
Besides, at my age the chicks are no longer an issue, so you gotta do
something for entertainment.
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:41:46 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It all boils down to how attitude and how you move your fingers. I've
>perfected a fake that has cameramen and photographers zeroing in on me when
>the guitar player takes a ride ... really p*sses him off. ;>)
>
I remember seeing Chicago at Tanglewood, which is normally the summer
home of the Boston Pops, about 15 years ago. One of the spotlights
kept picking up the trombone player during trumpet solos. After about
five times, the trombone player put his horn down and pointed at the
trumpet player. <G>
Do you have DirecTV? If so have you caught Big Bad Voodoo Daddy on
the freeview yet? GREAT SHOW!
Barry
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote in message
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:55:27 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> > I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
>
> I'd gladly do it for ya' for a cut. <G>
>
> Barry
Damn bass players are worse than drummers, they will do anything for a buck.
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"g" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> But more than
> anything I bought the top of the line so that later I would not be
> kicking myself for having saved a petty amount of money instead of
> getting the best machine in its class. Been there, done that, hated
> every minute of it.
Same here. I try to buy the best.
Besides, have you ever heard anyone say there penis is already beg enough?
Nah, I've got plenty and don't need another couple of inches.
Ed
i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
dave
Scott wrote:
> I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
> all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
> has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
> no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
>
> I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
> a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
> you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
> next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
> differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
> sander too . . .
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott
Dave,
Unless your 733 has a problem or the alignment fixtures are cracked or
something - they do damn near a perfect job. But I understand when you say
that you get less than satisfactory readings using a dial indicator to check
their alignment.
I'll make an assumption that you are using that nice shiny base plate right
below the blades as the spot to place you dial indicator - right? If so,
then that is your problem - not the blade aligners.
Remove that base (one small screw in each corner) and then measure and I'll
bet you will find a world of difference! If the blades are higher at one
end than the other its probably not the blades that need alignment - it's
the whole upper mechanism. Remember that post I made several weeks ago (the
one you said in a moment of weakness - was a keeper)? Go to their site and
check out the alignment procedures.
I've had my 733 all apart recently just to clean, lube and align it and
after re-assembling everything and checking, the 10" wide board I tested was
the same thickness on each side after planing.
The only problem I've ever had aligning the blades was trying to use a
cracked alignment fixture - which I didn't notice but it sure misaligned the
blades alright... They sent me a replacement and it takes about 10 mins to
replace and re-align a set of blades.
Bob S.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pWAMb.3299$%[email protected]...
> if you care about "perfect" alignment, than, yes, it's a PITA. Even
> using the alignment fixtures provided by DeWalt, if you recheck
> alignment with a dial indicator you'll probably find that the fixtures
> aren't all that wonderful for aligning the blades. I followed their
> instructions and can say that the procedure exceeds my patience
> quotient. I've seen the insides of the 735. It uses self indexing
> blades. Again, I'm hoping my 733 takes a dump. :)
>
> dave
>
> Anthony Diodati wrote:
>
> > Is it really that bad to change the knives on the 733?
> > I haven't had to change them on mine yet.
> > actually I never even turned it on, buts that's another stony.
> > Tony D.
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
> >>the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
> >>yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
> >>is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
> >> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>snip>
> >
> >
> >
>
to tell you the truth I don't like selling stuff. I usually throw
things out because I have no patience to field phone calls and spend
money an ad for something that might not sell. I've had varied success
with selling stuff in the newspaper and I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
I'm not much for garage sales either, as most folks want things for
next to nothing and again, I've not got the patience to sit around on a
summer day waiting to make a couple of bucks.
dave
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>>if you care about "perfect" alignment, than, yes, it's a PITA. Even
>>using the alignment fixtures provided by DeWalt, if you recheck
>>alignment with a dial indicator you'll probably find that the fixtures
>>aren't all that wonderful for aligning the blades. I followed their
>>instructions and can say that the procedure exceeds my patience
>>quotient. I've seen the insides of the 735. It uses self indexing
>>blades. Again, I'm hoping my 733 takes a dump. :)
>
>
> Why not try to sell it? ;-) Some people have more patience than $ & would
> be glad to get it.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> to tell you the truth I don't like selling stuff. I usually throw
> things out because I have no patience to field phone calls and spend
> money an ad for something that might not sell. I've had varied success
> with selling stuff in the newspaper and I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
> I'm not much for garage sales either, as most folks want things for
> next to nothing and again, I've not got the patience to sit around on a
> summer day waiting to make a couple of bucks.
>
<SNIP>
I agree that selling old stuff can be a pain in the butt, but I have found a
way that sorts out most of bottom feeders. I have access to the Microsoft
internal classified ads so advertise the item and ask for a small donation
to Habitat For Humanity. Last month I did it with a nice portable miter
stand. The guy was thrilled to get it and the charity got a check for $30.
I am going to do it again tomorrow with a 6" grinder that I no longer use.
Bob McBreen - Yarrow Point, WA
That's pretty damn high for a bass player!
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"Bay Area Dave" wrote in message
> ONE percent? :)
>
> dave
>
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:55:27 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
> >
> >
> > I'd gladly do it for ya' for a cut. <G>
> >
> > Barry
>
Is it really that bad to change the knives on the 733?
I haven't had to change them on mine yet.
actually I never even turned it on, buts that's another stony.
Tony D.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
> the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
> yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
> is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>
> dave
> snip>
My god man... have you ever done a blade change on a delta snipe-master-540?
I thought that the 733 was gods gift to blade changes after that.
The Dewalt magnetic jigs worked just fine for me. I have only done the
procedure twice, but found it to be relatively quick painless and accurate.
YMMV.
Steve
That said... the 735 does look sweet.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
> the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
> yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
> is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>
> dave
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
> > all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
> > has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
> > no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
> >
> > I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
> > a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
> > you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
> > next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
> > differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
> > sander too . . .
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Scott
>
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got back from Woodcraft, where I learned the 734 has the same
> cutting system as the 735, but lacks the dual speed feed (which the
> magazine review on display says isn't needed anyways as the regular
> speed yields great results). Also missing is the little fan that
> helps control dust/chips. Might you consider saving $100 with the
> 734? I do agree the 733 blades would likely irritate me at some
> point!
>
I would characterize a 734 is a 733 with 3 knives. The 735 is a radically
different design.
Check out the pictures:
http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail_listing.asp?categoryID=77
First of all, the 733 is discontinued, replaced by the 3-blade 734.
I was in the exact same situation, and bought the 735 when all three
models were on the shelf. I bought it for the better design, and the
better performance (i.e., 2 speeds vs one, etc...). But more than
anything I bought the top of the line so that later I would not be
kicking myself for having saved a petty amount of money instead of
getting the best machine in its class. Been there, done that, hated
every minute of it.
[email protected] (Scott) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
> all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
> has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
> no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
>
> I've used a planer maybe once in the past 20 years; if YOU were buying
> a new one next week, and cost was somewhat of a factor, which would
> you spring for if this were the one you were going to keep for the
> next 10+ years? What are some of the significant performance
> differences? Keep in mind I am buying the little Performax 10-20
> sander too . . .
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott
Makita 2012
On 12 Jan 2004 07:53:14 -0800, [email protected] (Scott) wrote:
>I've looked at the new Dewalt 735 three-knife cutter-head planer, and
>all the sales guys say it is really the thing to have. But a friend
>has the 733, which is almost $200 cheaper. He says he has had almost
>no snipe, and rarely needs to give the boards more than minor sanding.
I have a 733.
If I had the $200, I'd spend for the 735, for the chip ejection and
auto locking head.
Otherwise, the 733/734 is an excellent tool.
Barry
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:36:29 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>That's pretty damn high for a bass player!
Free beer?
Barry
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:28:25 -0500, "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> wrote:
|My god man... have you ever done a blade change on a delta snipe-master-540?
|I thought that the 733 was gods gift to blade changes after that.
|
|The Dewalt magnetic jigs worked just fine for me. I have only done the
|procedure twice, but found it to be relatively quick painless and accurate.
Well it wasn't quite painless, I cut my finger getting one of the new
blades out of the package, but other than that, I had zero problems
changing the blades for the first time just a couple of days ago on my
733.
|YMMV.
|
|Steve
|
|That said... the 735 does look sweet.
Yep. Tools are getting to be just like computers. You no sooner buy
one and the next thing you know there's a new and improved model. Of
course, it was the same when I was in the air-to-air and cruise
missile business <g>.
ONE percent? :)
dave
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:55:27 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm not an E-bay kinda person.
>
>
> I'd gladly do it for ya' for a cut. <G>
>
> Barry
if you care about "perfect" alignment, than, yes, it's a PITA. Even
using the alignment fixtures provided by DeWalt, if you recheck
alignment with a dial indicator you'll probably find that the fixtures
aren't all that wonderful for aligning the blades. I followed their
instructions and can say that the procedure exceeds my patience
quotient. I've seen the insides of the 735. It uses self indexing
blades. Again, I'm hoping my 733 takes a dump. :)
dave
Anthony Diodati wrote:
> Is it really that bad to change the knives on the 733?
> I haven't had to change them on mine yet.
> actually I never even turned it on, buts that's another stony.
> Tony D.
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
>>the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
>>yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
>>is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
>> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>>
>>dave
>>snip>
>
>
>
Wes Stewart <n7ws@_arrl.net> wrote:
> Yep. Tools are getting to be just like computers. You no sooner buy
> one and the next thing you know there's a new and improved model.
Last two big purchases I made were a Unisaw and a Apple PowerBook. It's
interesting to do a point-by-point comparison:
Saw Laptop
$1800, free shipping $1600, free shipping
I can sit on it It sits in my lap
When I do, my butt gets cold It keeps me warm
40 carbide teeth 40 gig disk
Will outlast me Will be junk in 3 years
A weak moment? Nah, that WAS a keeper! I've got it securely tucked away
in a Word document.
Anywho, I've already done the chain adjustment thingy. It worked well
to adjust for a slightly cocked cutter head. The trouble I have is
getting new blades both set to exactly the same height, even when using
those plastic/magnetic fixtures. Their positions vary a bit when I
place them on the cutter head. Maybe I'm missing something, but I
fooled around with them and found that while they get the blades in the
ballpark, I still need to recheck with a dial indicator. But then again
I'm fussy about anything that needs to be at right angles or flat, or even.
dave
Bob S. wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Unless your 733 has a problem or the alignment fixtures are cracked or
> something - they do damn near a perfect job. But I understand when you say
> that you get less than satisfactory readings using a dial indicator to check
> their alignment.
>
> I'll make an assumption that you are using that nice shiny base plate right
> below the blades as the spot to place you dial indicator - right? If so,
> then that is your problem - not the blade aligners.
>
> Remove that base (one small screw in each corner) and then measure and I'll
> bet you will find a world of difference! If the blades are higher at one
> end than the other its probably not the blades that need alignment - it's
> the whole upper mechanism. Remember that post I made several weeks ago (the
> one you said in a moment of weakness - was a keeper)? Go to their site and
> check out the alignment procedures.
>
> I've had my 733 all apart recently just to clean, lube and align it and
> after re-assembling everything and checking, the 10" wide board I tested was
> the same thickness on each side after planing.
>
> The only problem I've ever had aligning the blades was trying to use a
> cracked alignment fixture - which I didn't notice but it sure misaligned the
> blades alright... They sent me a replacement and it takes about 10 mins to
> replace and re-align a set of blades.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:pWAMb.3299$%[email protected]...
>
>>if you care about "perfect" alignment, than, yes, it's a PITA. Even
>>using the alignment fixtures provided by DeWalt, if you recheck
>>alignment with a dial indicator you'll probably find that the fixtures
>>aren't all that wonderful for aligning the blades. I followed their
>>instructions and can say that the procedure exceeds my patience
>>quotient. I've seen the insides of the 735. It uses self indexing
>>blades. Again, I'm hoping my 733 takes a dump. :)
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Anthony Diodati wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Is it really that bad to change the knives on the 733?
>>>I haven't had to change them on mine yet.
>>>actually I never even turned it on, buts that's another stony.
>>> Tony D.
>>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>i've got the 733 and wish it would blow up so I could justify getting
>>>>the 735. The first time you change knives on the 733 you'll be kicking
>>>>yourself for not getting the 735. As competent as the 733 is, the 735
>>>>is a huge improvement over it, especially when it comes to maintenance.
>>>> Spread out of many years, the price difference is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
I have the 734.
Actually had the choice of the three but opted for the middle road simply
'cuz it gives the "shine" of the higher end while letting me hang onto that
other hundred bucks.
At the same time, it's the piece of tooling that will be around for a while.
The 733s are harder and harder to find and more than likely the two-knife
blade replacement sets will be scarce or hard(er) to find in the near future
as well. (Although the cost of the two-blade knife set for the 733 is less
than half the cost of the three-knife 734/735 replacement blade set -- $60
for knives is getting a bit steep!)
--
Steve
www.ApacheTrail.com/ww/
Mesa, AZ
Penury Is the Mother of Invention
"g" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: First of all, the 733 is discontinued, replaced by the 3-blade 734.
:
: I was in the exact same situation, and bought the 735 when all three
: models were on the shelf. I bought it for the better design, and the
: better performance (i.e., 2 speeds vs one, etc...). But more than
: anything I bought the top of the line so that later I would not be
: kicking myself for having saved a petty amount of money instead of
: getting the best machine in its class. Been there, done that, hated
: every minute of it.
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> if you care about "perfect" alignment, than, yes, it's a PITA. Even
> using the alignment fixtures provided by DeWalt, if you recheck
> alignment with a dial indicator you'll probably find that the fixtures
> aren't all that wonderful for aligning the blades. I followed their
> instructions and can say that the procedure exceeds my patience
> quotient. I've seen the insides of the 735. It uses self indexing
> blades. Again, I'm hoping my 733 takes a dump. :)
Why not try to sell it? ;-) Some people have more patience than $ & would
be glad to get it.
-- Mark