In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
assuming the piece is already
1) planed and shaped properly
2) only a smidgen too large
I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control the
feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave 1/32
reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that or
is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
"Scott Lurndal" wrote
> How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
A good question, but not the same issue. The OP's was a question on the
"thickness" of the piece, not on the tapering of a leg.
Tapering a leg is usually done below the area where the apron joins the leg,
thus the area of the joinery is unaffected by using the jointer to do the
taper, not to mention that a taper usually doesn't require the same
precision that joinery does.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
This thread had me baffled for a few minutes
English reader, therefore assumed that planer referred to a jointer, and
jointer referred to a.. er, ummm jointer also
Forgot that you chaps say planer when you mean "thicknesser", and you call a
planer a "jointer." :-)
Not a big deal in _this_ case, I know, but potentially dangerous.. "just feed
wood into the planer with your hand pressing down on top of the stock.."
kinda thing. Not a great example, but you get the idea,
You say potato and I say tomatoe.. let's call the whole thing off.
A friend in Americaland was completely baffled by my campaign to stop parents
parking - and driving - outside the local school on the "pavement." It took a
few minutes for her to understand why I was so upset by this apparently
correct behaviour. There are plenty of cases where we think we're talking
about the same thing, make judgments and act accordingly. Wars have happened
for less.
Anyhow up, any European readers - Check your definitions before assuming that
what you think you understand is what was meant. "Rabbits" vs. "your money
back," for example.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:35 +0100, Ken wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> Each tool has it's purpose.
>
> The planer is used to uniformly plane wood to a nominal thickness.
>
> the jointer, straight edges wood . it also flattens on a single face , takes
> warp, twist, cupping, etc out of a board, so that it can
>
> be milled to a consistent thickness with a planer. I have never been able to
> uniformly dress a board to a consistent thickness
>
> with a jointer alone. I have always had both, jointer and planer.
>
> BUT, ,,,,,,,,in your case the jointer would be your best bet, since we are
> shaving a small controlled amount from
>
> an already dimensioned leg . I use a jointer for this a lot when putting a
> slight taper in a leg.
>
> KK
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kdz.96/site/?/home/
>
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:07:18 +0100, Leon wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
>
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>> How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
>
>
> Table Saw
>
>
Axe
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:50:11 +0100, Bob Martin wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> in 75214 20080817 145216 "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK, I have to ask. Are you a bored Trekistani cyborg, or are you a
>> bored Big Orange Retail Giant, or did your parents name you "Borg", or
>> is "borg" a Britishism that I have not heard before?
>
> You're not a tennis fan then?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Borg
Yes, it's none of these. Or all of them except one. Or not.
I hope that clears things up.
actually, it's driven entirely by the e-mail address which was easy to
remember but caused jawdrops of disbelief when given out. Don't try it - I've
discontinued it 'cos of the huge amount of spam I got
What I was taught for squaring leg stock, after rough cutting, was to
flatten first face, then joint an adjacent second face square and true and
finally plane the other surfaces parallel and square.. If you have a decent
tablesaw that is decently tuned and has a sharp blade, there's no reason
really that you can't substitute the table saw for the planer cuts. In fact
on some woods with difficult grain, I think you sometimes can actually avoid
tearout and get a smoother surface using a table saw over the planer.
"Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> assuming the piece is already
> 1) planed and shaped properly
> 2) only a smidgen too large
>
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
> would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
> My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control
> the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave
> 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
Of course, I'm assuming the legs are thin enough to rip on a table saw;
otherwise, obviously that won't be a solution for you.. Good luck..
"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What I was taught for squaring leg stock, after rough cutting, was to
> flatten first face, then joint an adjacent second face square and true and
> finally plane the other surfaces parallel and square.. If you have a
> decent tablesaw that is decently tuned and has a sharp blade, there's no
> reason really that you can't substitute the table saw for the planer cuts.
> In fact on some woods with difficult grain, I think you sometimes can
> actually avoid tearout and get a smoother surface using a table saw over
> the planer.
>
> "Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
>> assuming the piece is already
>> 1) planed and shaped properly
>> 2) only a smidgen too large
>>
>> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first
>> inclination would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it
>> down to size. My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I
>> can control the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my
>> jointer will shave 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
>> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
>> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
>
Gosh, after re-reading my message, I may have not been clear. You flatten
the first face on the jointer..
"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What I was taught for squaring leg stock, after rough cutting, was to
> flatten first face, then joint an adjacent second face square and true and
> finally plane the other surfaces parallel and square.. If you have a
> decent tablesaw that is decently tuned and has a sharp blade, there's no
> reason really that you can't substitute the table saw for the planer cuts.
> In fact on some woods with difficult grain, I think you sometimes can
> actually avoid tearout and get a smoother surface using a table saw over
> the planer.
>
> "Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
>> assuming the piece is already
>> 1) planed and shaped properly
>> 2) only a smidgen too large
>>
>> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first
>> inclination would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it
>> down to size. My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I
>> can control the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my
>> jointer will shave 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
>> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
>> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> LOL ... re-reading this thread I'm starting to realize that there are damn
>> few left around here who have either used/own a jointer, or have ever
>> actually made a table.
>>
>> When legs attach to table aprons, it doesn't take much experience to know
>> that, if not square/parallel, at least consistent geometry at the point of
>> the joinery is pretty damn important if the legs are going to stand
>> correctly.
>>
>> ... and they ain't NO way in hell you can guarantee consistent geometry,
>> of
>> any part, or from part to part, after a SINGLE pass over jointer blades!
>
>
>
>I recall in shop class Mr. Hardy would put you in line for a couple of licks
>if he caught any one using the jointer for any purpose other than to
>straighten an edge or flatten a surface. You were going to do it correctly
>or not at all. It seems like yesterday, 1968, when he looked every in the
>eye after making that threat. I remember something about not building on
>top of mistakes and working from a good foundation, that part was over my
>head at the time but the threat of the licks make the instructions much more
>clear.
>
How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
scott
"Artemus" wrote
> Looks like I owe you one too.
> I should have read the whole thread before firing off a response.
> Art
>
> "Swingman" wrote ...
>> "Jay Pique" wrote
>>
>> >> I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of
>> >> preference
>> >> for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use
>> >> _all_three_.
>> >
>> > That's my take too.
>>
>> Sorry, looks like I owe Art an apology. Mea culpa, Art.
>>
And a rare Wreck moment...
Dueling Apologies!!
I never thought I would see the day...
(OK Swingman, give'm hell!) :-)
Wow. Go away for a while and I missed all the fun.
Comments embedded.
Art
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Artemus" wrote
>
> > It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
> > Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
> > Or did I miss the sarcasm?
>
> Nope ... but here's what you did "miss":
>
> 1. My preface: "what _I_ would use:"
I didn't miss it. I understood you to say you'd use all 3 PT's in succession.
> 2. My qualifier: " ... if you're not overly concerned with surfaces
> remaining parallel to each other"
Didn't miss this either and you're right, I'm not overly concerned with this in the
case of a table leg.
> 3. And, most importantly, you seem to be missing a proper understanding of
> the proper use/capabilities of each tool listed, all "power tools" BTW, a
> fact which you seem to have missed as well.
You seen to be missing the fact that most tools have many uses and capabilities.
Admittedly each may be best for a particular use but it is not the sole tool that
will do the job.
>
> Fact: A jointer is simply NOT a proper tool to dimension stock in
> "thickness", which is what the OP asked.
No. The OP stated that the leg was already "1) planed and shaped properly".
The jointer can do the job just fine and, if properly set up, won't leave sniped
ends like his benchtop planer will. Furthermore, only the inside edges of a table
leg need to be square - one could trim the outside edges with an axe and it isn't
going to make any difference in the leg being square to the aprons or floor.
I stand by my original post - a jointer will do his job and any error isn't going to
be noticed by eye.
>
> The planer is the proper tool, and the table saw can be, if set up and used
> properly, and the dimensioning task falls within it's cutting capability
> (which 3/16" appears to do in the case of a table leg).
Did you change your mind re the jointer or did you just leave it it out now to be
argumentative?
>
> Now you do know.
I know you appear to be narrow minded, defensive, and arrogant.
>
> --
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> Last update: 5/14/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>
Looks like I owe you one too.
I should have read the whole thread before firing off a response.
Art
"Swingman" wrote ...
> "Jay Pique" wrote
>
> >> I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of
> >> preference
> >> for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use _all_three_.
> >
> > That's my take too.
>
> Sorry, looks like I owe Art an apology. Mea culpa, Art.
>
On Aug 15, 8:46=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim Hall" wrote
>
> > Gosh, after re-reading my message, I may have not been clear. =A0You fl=
atten
> > the first face on the jointer..
>
> Not too worry ... only the small minded would quibble over a slip of the
> tongue when it's that obvious that you knew what you were about. Yours wa=
s
> probably the most informative post in the thread thus far.
I'm totally offended.
JP
On Aug 14, 6:20=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Swingman" <k=
[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Artemus" wrote
>
> >> It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
> >> Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
> >> Or did I miss the sarcasm?
>
> >Nope ... but here's what you did "miss":
>
> I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of prefe=
rence
> for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use _all_three_.
That's my take too.
I regularly use a jointer to thin up a board a little bit. It's just
quicker for me to take a quick pass over it than to have to measure
the thickness of the board, set the planer to the desired thickness
and then run it through. If your jointer and jointing technique are
spot on, the result will still be parallel.
JP
********************
Flawless.
> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> assuming the piece is already
> 1) planed and shaped properly
> 2) only a smidgen too large
>
3/16" is a pretty big smidgen.
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
> would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
> My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control
> the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave
> 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
Ar you sure? My benchtop planer has a MAXIMUM cut of 1/16 per pass. That is
one full turn of the crank. I generally try to make the last pass a light
one with a quater-turn (1/64th)
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
You know your tools better that I do, but in my shop, I'd use the planer.
_Steve
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> LOL ... re-reading this thread I'm starting to realize that there are damn
> few left around here who have either used/own a jointer, or have ever
> actually made a table.
>
> When legs attach to table aprons, it doesn't take much experience to know
> that, if not square/parallel, at least consistent geometry at the point of
> the joinery is pretty damn important if the legs are going to stand
> correctly.
>
> ... and they ain't NO way in hell you can guarantee consistent geometry,
> of
> any part, or from part to part, after a SINGLE pass over jointer blades!
I recall in shop class Mr. Hardy would put you in line for a couple of licks
if he caught any one using the jointer for any purpose other than to
straighten an edge or flatten a surface. You were going to do it correctly
or not at all. It seems like yesterday, 1968, when he looked every in the
eye after making that threat. I remember something about not building on
top of mistakes and working from a good foundation, that part was over my
head at the time but the threat of the licks make the instructions much more
clear.
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I disagree with the consensus so far.
> The jointer should do the job just fine as the leg is already dimensioned
> with the faces parallel. 3/16 is a small enough amount that any error
> (10% of 3/16?) introduced would never be noticeable by eye in the finished
> part.
Ther is the right way and of course the path some people take because of a
lack of formal training/instruction.
> It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
> Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
> Or did I miss the sarcasm?
> Art
No, he is simply using the method that was taught when this skil was still
being taught by those that knew.
In article <[email protected]>, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Artemus" wrote
>
>> It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
>> Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
>> Or did I miss the sarcasm?
>
>Nope ... but here's what you did "miss":
I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of preference
for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use _all_three_.
I disagree with the consensus so far.
The jointer should do the job just fine as the leg is already dimensioned
with the faces parallel. 3/16 is a small enough amount that any error
(10% of 3/16?) introduced would never be noticeable by eye in the finished
part.
It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
Or did I miss the sarcasm?
Art
"Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> assuming the piece is already
> 1) planed and shaped properly
> 2) only a smidgen too large
>
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
> would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
> My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control the
> feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave 1/32
> reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that or
> is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >
> > How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
>
>
> Table Saw
With a homemade tapering jig, yes sir.
S.
"Eigenvector" wrote in message
> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large,
For 3/6", what _I_ would use:
Table saw first; planer second; jointer last, and only if I was not overly
concerned with surfaces remaining paralllel to each other.
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
or
> is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
A jointer simply cannot guarantee that surfaces will remain parallel, as
will either a well set up table saw, or planer.
YMMV ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Leon" wrote
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I disagree with the consensus so far.
> > The jointer should do the job just fine as the leg is already
dimensioned
> > with the faces parallel. 3/16 is a small enough amount that any error
> > (10% of 3/16?) introduced would never be noticeable by eye in the
finished
> > part.
>
> Ther is the right way and of course the path some people take because of a
> lack of formal training/instruction.
>
>
>
> > It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
> > Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
> > Or did I miss the sarcasm?
> > Art
>
> No, he is simply using the method that was taught when this skil was still
> being taught by those that knew.
LOL ... re-reading this thread I'm starting to realize that there are damn
few left around here who have either used/own a jointer, or have ever
actually made a table.
When legs attach to table aprons, it doesn't take much experience to know
that, if not square/parallel, at least consistent geometry at the point of
the joinery is pretty damn important if the legs are going to stand
correctly.
... and they ain't NO way in hell you can guarantee consistent geometry, of
any part, or from part to part, after a SINGLE pass over jointer blades!
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
in 75214 20080817 145216 "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>OK, I have to ask. Are you a bored Trekistani cyborg, or are you a
>bored Big Orange Retail Giant, or did your parents name you "Borg", or
>is "borg" a Britishism that I have not heard before?
You're not a tennis fan then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Borg
Each tool has it's purpose.
The planer is used to uniformly plane wood to a nominal thickness.
the jointer, straight edges wood . it also flattens on a single face , takes
warp, twist, cupping, etc out of a board, so that it can
be milled to a consistent thickness with a planer. I have never been able to
uniformly dress a board to a consistent thickness
with a jointer alone. I have always had both, jointer and planer.
BUT, ,,,,,,,,in your case the jointer would be your best bet, since we are
shaving a small controlled amount from
an already dimensioned leg . I use a jointer for this a lot when putting a
slight taper in a leg.
KK
http://home.comcast.net/~kdz.96/site/?/home/
"Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> assuming the piece is already
> 1) planed and shaped properly
> 2) only a smidgen too large
>
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
> would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
> My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control
> the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave
> 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
"Larry W" wrote in message
> Actually, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a jointer for
> this purpose... as long as it is a Stanley #7 or 8 or a similar model
> from another manufacturer.
Agreed ... but it's too bad that's not what the OP wanted to know.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" wrote
> centerline 'perpendicular to the floor' joints, which is what chairs leg
Make that "table" legs ... shit, the sun must be over the yardarm somewhere
in the British Empire, and it's obviously past time for a cocktail on the
porch and calling it a day.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>
> How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
Table Saw
"Jay Pique" wrote
>> I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of
>> preference
>> for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use _all_three_.
>
> That's my take too.
Sorry, looks like I owe Art an apology. Mea culpa, Art.
> I regularly use a jointer to thin up a board a little bit.
3/16th is more than a "little bit" ... AMMOF, it's 1/16th over the maximum
recommended cut for many, if not most, jointers.
I know ... multiple passes, but the more passes required over the jointer,
the greater likelihood of ruining the "geometry" of the workpiece, and
shaving off 3/16th on the jointer is pushing the envelope, IME.
IOW, the resultant risk of trapezoidal chair legs won't necessarily make for
centerline 'perpendicular to the floor' joints, which is what chairs leg
designs usually require.
Now, a 1/16th or less on a jointer, I could understand ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Bored Borg wrote:
> This thread had me baffled for a few minutes
>
> English reader, therefore assumed that planer referred to a jointer,
> and jointer referred to a.. er, ummm jointer also
> Forgot that you chaps say planer when you mean "thicknesser", and
> you
> call a planer a "jointer." :-)
>
> Not a big deal in _this_ case, I know, but potentially dangerous..
> "just feed wood into the planer with your hand pressing down on top
> of the stock.." kinda thing. Not a great example, but you get the
> idea,
>
> You say potato and I say tomatoe.. let's call the whole thing off.
>
> A friend in Americaland was completely baffled by my campaign to
> stop
> parents parking - and driving - outside the local school on the
> "pavement." It took a few minutes for her to understand why I was so
> upset by this apparently correct behaviour. There are plenty of
> cases where we think we're talking about the same thing, make
> judgments and act accordingly. Wars have happened for less.
>
> Anyhow up, any European readers - Check your definitions before
> assuming that what you think you understand is what was meant.
> "Rabbits" vs. "your money back," for example.
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:35 +0100, Ken wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> Each tool has it's purpose.
>>
>> The planer is used to uniformly plane wood to a nominal thickness.
>>
>> the jointer, straight edges wood . it also flattens on a single
>> face
>> , takes warp, twist, cupping, etc out of a board, so that it can
>>
>> be milled to a consistent thickness with a planer. I have never
>> been
>> able to uniformly dress a board to a consistent thickness
>>
>> with a jointer alone. I have always had both, jointer and planer.
>>
>> BUT, ,,,,,,,,in your case the jointer would be your best bet, since
>> we are shaving a small controlled amount from
>>
>> an already dimensioned leg . I use a jointer for this a lot when
>> putting a slight taper in a leg.
>>
>> KK
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~kdz.96/site/?/home/
OK, I have to ask. Are you a bored Trekistani cyborg, or are you a
bored Big Orange Retail Giant, or did your parents name you "Borg", or
is "borg" a Britishism that I have not heard before?
--
--
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
samson wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> How about tapering legs? A common use for the jointer.
>>
>> Table Saw
>
>
> With a homemade tapering jig, yes sir.
>
> S.
Same here, as long as it's a sled-style jig. Mine isn't on the web
right now, but here is a similar version:
<http://cdn2.libsyn.com/mattswoodshop/Table_Saw_Taper_Sled_1.pdf?nvb=20080816111744&nva=20080817111744&t=0cb6c978ef8452973e109>
Some taper jigs (and many other jigs! don't get me going...) are
SOOOOOO over complicated, so I totally understand why many skip this method.
A clamping sled jig is very comfortable to use, simple and fast to make,
easily adjustable, totally repeatable, and suitable for any angle or
number of faces. Another great reason to keep runner stock at the ready.
Hinge-style jigs are evil!
"Eigenvector" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
> assuming the piece is already
> 1) planed and shaped properly
> 2) only a smidgen too large
>
> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large, so my first inclination
> would be to run it over the jointer a couple times to get it down to size.
> My reasoning is that the jointer has a superior table and I can control
> the feed much better than my benchtop planer. Also my jointer will shave
> 1/32 reliably whereas my planer is around 3/32.
> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
> or is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
Totally agree with Swingman.
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Same here, as long as it's a sled-style jig. Mine isn't on the web right
> now, but here is a similar version:
> <http://cdn2.libsyn.com/mattswoodshop/Table_Saw_Taper_Sled_1.pdf?nvb=20080816111744&nva=20080817111744&t=0cb6c978ef8452973e109>
>
> Some taper jigs (and many other jigs! don't get me going...) are SOOOOOO
> over complicated, so I totally understand why many skip this method.
>
> A clamping sled jig is very comfortable to use, simple and fast to make,
> easily adjustable, totally repeatable, and suitable for any angle or
> number of faces. Another great reason to keep runner stock at the ready.
>
> Hinge-style jigs are evil!
My latest taper jig is also the sled that I use to straighten 8' boards on
the TS.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ... and they ain't NO way in hell you can guarantee consistent geometry, of
>any part, or from part to part, after a SINGLE pass over jointer blades!
No fence on your jointer? <g>
Seriously, I agree that the thickness planer is the right tool for the
job. I would remove bulk with a saw if it were any more than 3/16ths
being removed.
But the reaction against the jointer (which is NOT the best tool for
the job) may be overstated. If I didn't have a planer, I would scribe
the desired thickness, run it twice over the jointer with the table
set to get a cut of a little less than 3/32. Then observe how close to
the scribe line I was getting at all points, set the jointer for
superfine cut, and sneak up on the scribe line. If one part of the cut
neared the scribe line before another, I'd know that my technique or
jointer was off, and would switch to a hand plane for the last few
thou.
Or cut it the right size to begin with, but where's the fun in that?
<g>
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"Artemus" wrote
> It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
> Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
> Or did I miss the sarcasm?
Nope ... but here's what you did "miss":
1. My preface: "what _I_ would use:"
2. My qualifier: " ... if you're not overly concerned with surfaces
remaining parallel to each other"
3. And, most importantly, you seem to be missing a proper understanding of
the proper use/capabilities of each tool listed, all "power tools" BTW, a
fact which you seem to have missed as well.
Fact: A jointer is simply NOT a proper tool to dimension stock in
"thickness", which is what the OP asked.
The planer is the proper tool, and the table saw can be, if set up and used
properly, and the dimensioning task falls within it's cutting capability
(which 3/16" appears to do in the case of a table leg).
Now you do know.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" wrote
>
> "Eigenvector" wrote in message
>
>
> > In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
>
> > I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large,
>
> For 3/6", what _I_ would use:
Obviously a typo ... make that "3/16th", NOT 3/6".
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Doug Miller" wrote
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Artemus" wrote
>>
>>> It sounds like Swingman likes to play with his power tools too much.
>>> Tablesaw, planer, then jointer??
>>> Or did I miss the sarcasm?
>>
>>Nope ... but here's what you did "miss":
>
> I disagree; I think what he missed is that you listed your order of
> preference
> for picking *one* tool to use -- he thought you meant to use _all_three_.
I certainly didn't see it that way, but on review, you may well be right. If
I indeed "missed" it, I hereby apologize, and thanks for pointing it out!
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Jim Hall" wrote
> Gosh, after re-reading my message, I may have not been clear. You flatten
> the first face on the jointer..
Not too worry ... only the small minded would quibble over a slip of the
tongue when it's that obvious that you knew what you were about. Yours was
probably the most informative post in the thread thus far.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Eigenvector" wrote in message
>
>
>> In general which would you use to cut a piece down to proper thickness
>
>> I have a table leg that is about 3/16th too large,
>
> For 3/6", what _I_ would use:
>
> Table saw first; planer second; jointer last, and only if I was not overly
> concerned with surfaces remaining paralllel to each other.
>
>> But would it be a better option to invest in a better planer and use that
> or
>> is a jointer perfectly acceptable for shaving down wood?
>
> A jointer simply cannot guarantee that surfaces will remain parallel, as
> will either a well set up table saw, or planer.
>
> YMMV ...
>
> --
I hear what you're saying. The parallel issue is a genuine concern.
I know a few people commented on how I was misstating the precision of the
planer, but I know the planer I have and it planes wood but has poor depth
control. Its a borrowed tool, so I won't complain, but it just won't do
what I need it to do.
However I hear what everyone is saying, a planer is the appropriate tool
here.