Hiya Folks,
Just putting the finishing touches on my new G1023SL. I got the 220V and
sub panel wired today and
put my Vega fence on it. When I first fired it up, I thought "Oh great,
this is no better than my contractor
saw". It was kind of noisy and failed the nickle test miserably (actually
my Jet contractor saw passes this
test with no problems). So unplugged the thing and started tinkering a
bit. Tightened the belts although they
didn't seem to be awfully loose and voila, passes the nickle test.
All in all, I'm happy with it and my progress considering I unloaded it, put
it on a mobile stand, installed the Vega,
ran a new subpanel, and got it all tuned up in about a day and a half with
no "helpers". Now I just gotta decide
if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice but in a
2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
at night), it sure takes up space. May just go back to my 36" extension.
I'll have to get the Jet saw cleaned up and
see if I can sell it. Kind of sad actually as it's my first saw and it's
been a pretty good workhorse for me. Hmmm,
can I stash 2 saws in the garage.......
Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble a bit.
Cheers,
cc
Hi Cubby,
I've got to try that nickel test too - soon as I get
everything as tweaked as I can.
As a fellow new 1023SL owner, you might appreciate
this. When I installed the wings, since they were not
labeled left or right, I just chose each at random.
After a day or two of playing, I noticed that although
both wings were perfectly flat with the main table in
the front & back, the left wing had a slight concavity
(maybe .001) while the right one had about the same
but convex. I switched the wings and now they are
virtually perfect and required no shimming. I can
run my fingernail side to side across the "joints" with
almost no noticeable ridge anywhere.
This led me to think that maybe these things are ground
smooth when they are bolted together, then disassembled
and shipped together. Probably not, since the "grain" of the
cast iron does not match across the table.
Just a strange coincidence I guess.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, James \"Cubby\"
Culbertson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hiya Folks,
> Just putting the finishing touches on my new G1023SL. I got the 220V and
> sub panel wired today and
> put my Vega fence on it. When I first fired it up, I thought "Oh great,
> this is no better than my contractor
> saw". It was kind of noisy and failed the nickle test miserably (actually
> my Jet contractor saw passes this
> test with no problems). So unplugged the thing and started tinkering a
> bit. Tightened the belts although they
> didn't seem to be awfully loose and voila, passes the nickle test.
>
> All in all, I'm happy with it and my progress considering I unloaded it, put
> it on a mobile stand, installed the Vega,
> ran a new subpanel, and got it all tuned up in about a day and a half with
> no "helpers". Now I just gotta decide
> if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice but in a
> 2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
> at night), it sure takes up space. May just go back to my 36" extension.
> I'll have to get the Jet saw cleaned up and
> see if I can sell it. Kind of sad actually as it's my first saw and it's
> been a pretty good workhorse for me. Hmmm,
> can I stash 2 saws in the garage.......
>
> Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble a bit.
>
> Cheers,
> cc
>
>
Hi Again Cubby,
Today, I just about finished tweaking the 1023SL. After
reversing the wings and leveling (no shims needed), I bolted
on the Shop Fox fence. Next I checked the 90 & 45 and then
the miter slots for parallel. I don't think that I could
adjust anything better than it already is.
I am VERY impressed with this saw.
I tried the "nickel" test (used a flat washer - out of nickels!)
and the darn thing did not move a bit when I hit the on switch.
Moved the washer around the wings and table - same result!
SWMBO thought it was glued down. No belt adjustment or
anything.
Then, I even cut a piece of wood - cut good! :-)
I have to admit that when you (meaning me) change a piece
of machinery like this, it is important to go slow and easy until
you get used to it. It is a lot different and more powerful
than the old saw I had (not that you couldn't lose something
with that one either).
Also, my old saw was right-tilt unlike the Grizzly.
I think we made a good choice.
Lou
I was a "right tilt" guy too but have become very used to the left tilt and
some of the advantages it provides. The big drawback many espouse is that
when using a dado stack, the measurement line is off. I simply use a piece
of blue tape after my dado stack is in, by putting the fence back to the
edge of the stack and place the edge of the tape on the "0". Then, I simply
reference the blue tape for accurate measurements.
Other advantages I've gotten used to are the fact that from the front of the
saw, the nut on the arbor turns like any nut instead of reverse. I like not
needing to move the fence when doing bevels and in fact, moved my rails to
the right about 8" because of the lack of needing to ever put the fence on
the other side of the blade. Gave me 8" additional rip capacity with
standard rails. I have placed a scrap bin under the right side of the table
since the motor is on the left - has become very handy. Probably will make
a cabinet to set under there evenutually - still doesn't interefere with the
tilt knob.
Don
"James "Cubby" Culbertson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Glad to see your up and running Lou! We have to quit meeting like this.
>
> Would you believe it, I have yet to cut anything on mine? I took a
> break today (this is my weekend until Wednesday) to get back on a project
> that
> is taking up a good deal of space (Log Bed) that I need to finish so I can
> get back to more important things. Anyway, I digress. I still need to
> completely dial in
> my Vega fence. I had to drill/tap holes in the rear of the table to
> mount the rail (let me tell
> you, I thought twice about it but then realized I drill holes into my Jeep
> all the time and
> it's worth a helluva lot more....) and now it's just a matter of getting
> everything ship shape.
>
> I too found the 90 and 45 stops to be bang on, along with just about
> everything else.
> As I said, I did have to tighten the belts a bit but otherwise, the thing
> is ready to go out of
> the box. Only thing I'm not too sure about is that dust chute thing that
> surrounds the blade inside
> the cabinet. It's awfully close to my blade. Not really sure it does
> much anyway but I'll leave
> it until it destroys one of my blades. I too am a "Right Tilt Guy" so
> I'll have to practice a bit.
>
> Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing the adventure with ya!
> Cheers,
> cc
>
> "loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:100120052037222453%[email protected]...
>> Hi Again Cubby,
>>
>> Today, I just about finished tweaking the 1023SL. After
>> reversing the wings and leveling (no shims needed), I bolted
>> on the Shop Fox fence. Next I checked the 90 & 45 and then
>> the miter slots for parallel. I don't think that I could
>> adjust anything better than it already is.
>>
>> I am VERY impressed with this saw.
>>
>> I tried the "nickel" test (used a flat washer - out of nickels!)
>> and the darn thing did not move a bit when I hit the on switch.
>> Moved the washer around the wings and table - same result!
>> SWMBO thought it was glued down. No belt adjustment or
>> anything.
>>
>> Then, I even cut a piece of wood - cut good! :-)
>>
>> I have to admit that when you (meaning me) change a piece
>> of machinery like this, it is important to go slow and easy until
>> you get used to it. It is a lot different and more powerful
>> than the old saw I had (not that you couldn't lose something
>> with that one either).
>>
>> Also, my old saw was right-tilt unlike the Grizzly.
>>
>> I think we made a good choice.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
Hi Don,
These are some good ideas. I'll have to keep
them in mind as I get used to the saw
a little more.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, D. J. Dorn
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I was a "right tilt" guy too but have become very used to the left tilt and
> some of the advantages it provides. The big drawback many espouse is that
> when using a dado stack, the measurement line is off. I simply use a piece
> of blue tape after my dado stack is in, by putting the fence back to the
> edge of the stack and place the edge of the tape on the "0". Then, I simply
> reference the blue tape for accurate measurements.
>
> Other advantages I've gotten used to are the fact that from the front of the
> saw, the nut on the arbor turns like any nut instead of reverse. I like not
> needing to move the fence when doing bevels and in fact, moved my rails to
> the right about 8" because of the lack of needing to ever put the fence on
> the other side of the blade. Gave me 8" additional rip capacity with
> standard rails. I have placed a scrap bin under the right side of the table
> since the motor is on the left - has become very handy. Probably will make
> a cabinet to set under there evenutually - still doesn't interefere with the
> tilt knob.
>
> Don
>
> "James "Cubby" Culbertson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Glad to see your up and running Lou! We have to quit meeting like this.
> >
> > Would you believe it, I have yet to cut anything on mine? I took a
> > break today (this is my weekend until Wednesday) to get back on a project
> > that
> > is taking up a good deal of space (Log Bed) that I need to finish so I can
> > get back to more important things. Anyway, I digress. I still need to
> > completely dial in
> > my Vega fence. I had to drill/tap holes in the rear of the table to
> > mount the rail (let me tell
> > you, I thought twice about it but then realized I drill holes into my Jeep
> > all the time and
> > it's worth a helluva lot more....) and now it's just a matter of getting
> > everything ship shape.
> >
> > I too found the 90 and 45 stops to be bang on, along with just about
> > everything else.
> > As I said, I did have to tighten the belts a bit but otherwise, the thing
> > is ready to go out of
> > the box. Only thing I'm not too sure about is that dust chute thing that
> > surrounds the blade inside
> > the cabinet. It's awfully close to my blade. Not really sure it does
> > much anyway but I'll leave
> > it until it destroys one of my blades. I too am a "Right Tilt Guy" so
> > I'll have to practice a bit.
> >
> > Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing the adventure with ya!
> > Cheers,
> > cc
> >
> > "loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:100120052037222453%[email protected]...
> >> Hi Again Cubby,
> >>
> >> Today, I just about finished tweaking the 1023SL. After
> >> reversing the wings and leveling (no shims needed), I bolted
> >> on the Shop Fox fence. Next I checked the 90 & 45 and then
> >> the miter slots for parallel. I don't think that I could
> >> adjust anything better than it already is.
> >>
> >> I am VERY impressed with this saw.
> >>
> >> I tried the "nickel" test (used a flat washer - out of nickels!)
> >> and the darn thing did not move a bit when I hit the on switch.
> >> Moved the washer around the wings and table - same result!
> >> SWMBO thought it was glued down. No belt adjustment or
> >> anything.
> >>
> >> Then, I even cut a piece of wood - cut good! :-)
> >>
> >> I have to admit that when you (meaning me) change a piece
> >> of machinery like this, it is important to go slow and easy until
> >> you get used to it. It is a lot different and more powerful
> >> than the old saw I had (not that you couldn't lose something
> >> with that one either).
> >>
> >> Also, my old saw was right-tilt unlike the Grizzly.
> >>
> >> I think we made a good choice.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> >
>
>
"James "Cubby" Culbertson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Now I just gotta decide
> if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice but in
a
> 2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
> at night), it sure takes up space.
Some pointers here. try cramming just a little more stuff in the way of
your wife's car. The idea here is to have her decide that it is really more
of a hassle trying to park the car in the garage than outside where cars
belong.
You also can make some saw dust with the window to your wife's car down, or
start stacking stuff on the car. The key here is to do this incrementally
until she yields that valuable piece of real estate
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
"Roger Shoaf" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "James "Cubby" Culbertson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Now I just gotta decide
>> if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice
>> but in
> a
>> 2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
>> at night), it sure takes up space.
>
> Some pointers here. try cramming just a little more stuff in the way
> of your wife's car. The idea here is to have her decide that it is
> really more of a hassle trying to park the car in the garage than
> outside where cars belong.
>
> You also can make some saw dust with the window to your wife's car
> down, or start stacking stuff on the car. The key here is to do this
> incrementally until she yields that valuable piece of real estate
Hmmm... 44" extension table, or your life? Tough call...
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
> no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
>
A slow and deliberative process is in order here. You must let her think it
is her idea. Do little things like referring to the garage as the workshop,
and making something for her that requires just a little more bit of floor
space. Soon she will come to the conclusion that it is much easier to park
in the driveway.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
patrick conroy wrote:
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
>>no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
>
>
> The kitchen island???
Yeah, that's the piece...
Barry
.
>
>All in all, I'm happy with it and my progress considering I unloaded it, put
>it on a mobile stand, installed the Vega,
>ran a new subpanel, and got it all tuned up in about a day and a half with
>no "helpers". Now I just gotta decide
>if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice but in a
>2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
>at night), it sure takes up space. May just go back to my 36" extension.
>I'll have to get the Jet saw cleaned up and
>see if I can sell it. Kind of sad actually as it's my first saw and it's
>been a pretty good workhorse for me. Hmmm,
>can I stash 2 saws in the garage.......
>
>Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble a bit.
>
>Cheers,
=======================
First of all....ONLY allow your wife to park her car INSIDE the garage
in the Winter ...and then only when it "may" snow ... Cars at like
Wild Animals...they enjoy being outside...that is their element...
I keep 2 Table Saws in my shop... I kept my original saw
(gulp..crapsman) and made a sled just for it to use for cross cutting
or mounting a dado blade ... when I purchased my Cabinet Saw ..
Unfortunately 10 years later the crapsman died ..so I was left with
only one Table saw in the shop...
IT did not take me long to buy a used Contractors saw to replace
my second saw...It became clean darn soon how much I missed
that second saw....
Only kidding about the car in the garage... I happen to play with old
cars and MY shop had to move upstairs (Major pain to haul lumber
upsatirs) over one of the garages just so I could "park" a few more
cars ... Normal everyday drivers are kept outside however.
Enjoy your new toy....
Bob Griffiths
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> What? - you already got your '05 quota? I try to wait till mid year or
so.
You get a new "quota" each year???
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
> no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
The kitchen island???
Roger Shoaf wrote:
> You also can make some saw dust with the window to your wife's car down, or
> start stacking stuff on the car. The key here is to do this incrementally
> until she yields that valuable piece of real estate
Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
Barry
"Roger Shoaf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> You also can make some saw dust with the window to your wife's car down,
or
> start stacking stuff on the car. The key here is to do this incrementally
> until she yields that valuable piece of real estate
I don't suppose by any chance you've worked as a landlord and had practise
moving uncooperative tenants out? If not, you might want to consider it as
an alternative means of employment. :)
"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in
> if I want to keep that 44" extension table on it. Sure looks nice but in
a
> 2 car garage (which houses the wife's car
> at night), it sure takes up space.
Congratulations on your new saw. Is your wife logical in her thinking? See
if you can impress upon the ridiculousness, when you _really_ think about
it, of having a HOUSE for a CAR.
... well, it was worth a try.
North America, one of the few places in the world where we insist upon, and
pay dearly, for separate housing for our means of transportation.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 11/06/04
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Uh-hu, I think she's getting a little forgetful...
The *other* upside to Alzheimer's I suppose.
Personally, I like the fact that "everyday's a new day, and every face is a
new face" to me.
Every known and then I get a recollection akin to "I know I hate this
sumb*tch, but for the life of me, I can recall why!"
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:51:01 GMT, "patrick conroy"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Uh-hu, I think she's getting a little forgetful...
>
>The *other* upside to Alzheimer's I suppose.
>
>Personally, I like the fact that "everyday's a new day, and every face is a
>new face" to me.
>Every known and then I get a recollection akin to "I know I hate this
>sumb*tch, but for the life of me, I can recall why!"
>
and you could watch a brand new episode of star trek every day.. way
cool..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:51:14 +0000, patrick conroy wrote:
>
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
>> no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
>
> The kitchen island???
What? - you already got your '05 quota? I try to wait till mid year or so.
- Doug
--
To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard)
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:51:05 +0000, patrick conroy wrote:
>
> "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> What? - you already got your '05 quota? I try to wait till mid year or
> so.
>
> You get a new "quota" each year???
Uh-hu, I think she's getting a little forgetful...
- Doug
--
To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard)
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:01:40 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Roger Shoaf wrote:
>
>> You also can make some saw dust with the window to your wife's car down, or
>> start stacking stuff on the car. The key here is to do this incrementally
>> until she yields that valuable piece of real estate
>
>Are you aware of the another valuable piece of real estate that she will
>no longer yield after we follow your suggestions? <G>
That's ONLY if you don't do it incrementally (Hence, the warning.)
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:18:28 -0500, Bob G.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Only kidding about the car in the garage... I happen to play with old
>cars and MY shop had to move upstairs (Major pain to haul lumber
>upsatirs) over one of the garages just so I could "park" a few more
>cars ... Normal everyday drivers are kept outside however.
One of the magazines had an article about a workshop
over a garage. It included a trap door in the floor to
haul stuff in and out rather than dragging it up and down
the stairs.
Glad to see your up and running Lou! We have to quit meeting like this.
Would you believe it, I have yet to cut anything on mine? I took a
break today (this is my weekend until Wednesday) to get back on a project
that
is taking up a good deal of space (Log Bed) that I need to finish so I can
get back to more important things. Anyway, I digress. I still need to
completely dial in
my Vega fence. I had to drill/tap holes in the rear of the table to mount
the rail (let me tell
you, I thought twice about it but then realized I drill holes into my Jeep
all the time and
it's worth a helluva lot more....) and now it's just a matter of getting
everything ship shape.
I too found the 90 and 45 stops to be bang on, along with just about
everything else.
As I said, I did have to tighten the belts a bit but otherwise, the thing is
ready to go out of
the box. Only thing I'm not too sure about is that dust chute thing that
surrounds the blade inside
the cabinet. It's awfully close to my blade. Not really sure it does
much anyway but I'll leave
it until it destroys one of my blades. I too am a "Right Tilt Guy" so I'll
have to practice a bit.
Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing the adventure with ya!
Cheers,
cc
"loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:100120052037222453%[email protected]...
> Hi Again Cubby,
>
> Today, I just about finished tweaking the 1023SL. After
> reversing the wings and leveling (no shims needed), I bolted
> on the Shop Fox fence. Next I checked the 90 & 45 and then
> the miter slots for parallel. I don't think that I could
> adjust anything better than it already is.
>
> I am VERY impressed with this saw.
>
> I tried the "nickel" test (used a flat washer - out of nickels!)
> and the darn thing did not move a bit when I hit the on switch.
> Moved the washer around the wings and table - same result!
> SWMBO thought it was glued down. No belt adjustment or
> anything.
>
> Then, I even cut a piece of wood - cut good! :-)
>
> I have to admit that when you (meaning me) change a piece
> of machinery like this, it is important to go slow and easy until
> you get used to it. It is a lot different and more powerful
> than the old saw I had (not that you couldn't lose something
> with that one either).
>
> Also, my old saw was right-tilt unlike the Grizzly.
>
> I think we made a good choice.
>
> Lou